but there's also a tech talent gap that republicans have suffered from. the campaigns, when they're staffing up, they don't have access, all the time, to a lot of the most talented tech people, because they're all so liberal. but if chris christie can use his relationship with mark zuckerberg to ingratiate himself, that could help. >> he needs the obama apps. joe, you work for bill clinton, you know hillary clinton well, you worked with mark zuckerberg, so christie versus hillary, what's your take on who might be better in 2016? >> well, i obviously think that hillary is. i think if you look at just the politics of this, you know, chris christie is a conservative republican, in the state of new jersey. it's, you know, that's a tough road for a state that's fairly progressive. so it's no, you know, his campaign plan will be moderate, but i think he's very conservative, much closer to the tea party than the real, you know, traditional republicans.